"DipodomysDeserti" (dipodomysdeserti)
05/29/2020 at 10:43 • Filed to: None
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"DipodomysDeserti" (dipodomysdeserti)
05/29/2020 at 10:43 • Filed to: None | 2
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An example of why you shouldn’t be so quic k to throw away your civil liberties, even if it might make you sick, or make you have to listen to people you don’t like. Trump’s wet dream right there. State troopers arresting news reporters for reporting the news.
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mazda616
> DipodomysDeserti
05/29/2020 at 10:45 |
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This is all so maddening and depressing to me. I love this country and it seems to just be falling apart.
And it’s extremely difficult to emigrate to Canada. I checked.
MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
> DipodomysDeserti
05/29/2020 at 10:46 |
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This quote from MLK is sadly as relevant today as it was then
“ I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. Certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation’s summers of riots are caused by our nation’s winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention.”
Yes, the looting is wrong, but this shit doesn’t just happen.
fintail
> DipodomysDeserti
05/29/2020 at 10:48 |
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It’s like 1968 again, save for the robust working class.
I fear it is going to be a very interesting summer - some elements out there would rather it be 1933.
For Sweden
> DipodomysDeserti
05/29/2020 at 10:51 |
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Silly Americans, you are supposed to seize their phone records , not arrest them!
NKato
> MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
05/29/2020 at 10:51 |
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What’s worse is, there is apparently possible evidence of false-flag saboteurs intentionally causing the vandalism. One person has been identified as an officer of St. Paul Police - not 100% confirmed, and some people are saying it’s debunked.
There’s a lot of misinformation going around now.
interstate366, now In The Industry
> mazda616
05/29/2020 at 10:58 |
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I’d be miserable in Canada because of the weather anyway. “But Vancou...” yeah, look at the cost of living there.
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DipodomysDeserti
> MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
05/29/2020 at 11:02 |
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We forcefully shut down our entire economy for two months, with lower income workers being hit the hardest, in communities that were already economically depressed . I don’t give a shit if people loot a Target. Let the insurance companies pay out.
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DipodomysDeserti
> NKato
05/29/2020 at 11:03 |
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My brother reported on the Occupy movement in Phoenix years ago. From FOIA requests, he discovered half the regular occupy members in Phoenix (not a lot to begin with) were Phoenix police officers. They were pretty easy to spot from the get go.
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MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
> NKato
05/29/2020 at 11:05 |
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I saw that and hope it isn’t true, but man that guy looked like a cop in disguise and was way to calm and methodical about breaking the windows.
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DipodomysDeserti
> mazda616
05/29/2020 at 11:05 |
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Canada just has less people. Go ask some First Nations people if they think Canada is the liberal utopia many white Canadians purport it to be.
Don’t be depressed, as nothing has changed. It’s just more visible at the moment. The country you love has always been like this.
facw
> MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
05/29/2020 at 11:13 |
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It’s hard to say, but he certainly looked like a man on mission rather than someone brimming with rage or just someone looking to smash stuff for their own enjoyment. He wasn’t trying to convince his “fellow protestors” that they should be angry enough to join him, and he wasn’t admiring his work. Certainly seems suspicious.
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DipodomysDeserti
> fintail
05/29/2020 at 11:14 |
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The difference being our own leaders purposefully collapsed our economy in order to set the stage. And they didn’t have to stoke the flames too much. Our past presidents didn’t do anything meaningful to curb or even slow down this progression of police violence. Anyone who is surprised by any of this or thinks it is anything new has been living in La-La Land. Well, maybe not La-La land...
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facw
> For Sweden
05/29/2020 at 11:14 |
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But Trump says we can’t seize phone records anymore because it might uncover (more of) his corruption!
Mid Engine
> DipodomysDeserti
05/29/2020 at 11:14 |
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Walk a mile in another man’s shoes, only then can you claim to have an informed opinion. Born & lived in Canada for a long time, emigrated to the U.S. ten years. ago. Dual citizen.
I know first hand the pros and cons of both countries, also know that First Nation people in both countries are mistreated.
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DipodomysDeserti
> MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
05/29/2020 at 11:16 |
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Could just be your regular old anarchist (and also a cop) . I know plenty of people that have just been waiting for the opportunity.
No real need to stage anything at this point. It’s completely out of control.
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fintail
> DipodomysDeserti
05/29/2020 at 11:20 |
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I don’t see a real connection between the pandemic and the riots. The abuse at the hands of the effectively untouchable praetorian class far predates anything economic, as you mention. These riots aren’t via anything that has happened with the economy in the past 3 months.
No doubt mistakes have been made regarding the pandemic, both on the close it down side, and the keep it all open side. But that’s another subject.
It’s funny, the cowardly worthless so-called right could the economic crisis as a way to gain support simply by offering a generous and robust aid package, but that won’t happen. Instead, they are behaving like Herbert Hoo ver.
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For Sweden
> facw
05/29/2020 at 11:20 |
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Well are you going to do what Trump wants, or are you going to seize phone records?
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facw
> For Sweden
05/29/2020 at 11:25 |
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I’m cool with having to get a warrant to investigate Trump, plenty of probable cause there.
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DipodomysDeserti
> Mid Engine
05/29/2020 at 11:29 |
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“To walk a mile in another man’s shoes,” has to do with judging others, not about having an informed opinion on something. You don’t actually have to do something to have an informed opinion on something, you have to be educated on the subject matter.
And yes, First Nations people are treated like shit everywhere in the Americas.
Welcome to America. I can tell by your car and house posts that America seems to be treating you rather nicely, and am glad you can find a place here and be successful.
Glad you got your citizenship so quickly. I have Mexican friends who grew up here and waited over twenty years to become citizens, with some never getting it.
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For Sweden
> facw
05/29/2020 at 11:30 |
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That’s cool but this discussion is about journalists
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Mid Engine
> DipodomysDeserti
05/29/2020 at 11:36 |
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Both countries have treated me well, perhaps partly because I work hard and treat others with respect. Partly luck too I suppose. I don’t take anything for granted, there’s plenty of folks have it much harder than I do.
Citizenship should have happened much quicker, before Trump you would apply and within a few months your interview would be scheduled . It took 18 months to finally get my interview and attend the ceremony. Regardless, I recognize many others will never have the opportunity, and that’s a real shame.
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DipodomysDeserti
> fintail
05/29/2020 at 11:37 |
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I’m guessing you’re a bit further removed from the working class than me if you don’t see the connection between a historically tanked economy and widespread rioting. Yes, there was a spark in the murder of George Floyd by police. But black men are literally killed all the time by police, that’s nothing new.
My POC friends were much more worried about going outside over the last few months, and much more lee ry to protest over the last handful of nonjudicial killings. Even now, our local chapter of Black Lives Matter isn’t participating because they want their members to be safe. However, much more people are over the edge, and many of their landlords are done comping them rent.
I’m not a political person, so you can keep you white upper class political rants to yourself. You’re more like the praetorian class than you think. The praetorian class in the PNW is there to protect rich white people.
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DipodomysDeserti
> fintail
05/29/2020 at 11:41 |
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Let me clarify what I meant by making that connection, because I don’t think it was clear. You mentioned 1933. The Nazi takeover of Germany was only possible because their economy was totally tanked. If you don’t think white suprema cists don’t already run the show (I think you’re naive), but tanking the economy would be a way to give them a foothold. The redneck anti lockdown protests are pretty good evidence of this. You make people despe rate, and people who otherwise wouldn’t be willing to lay it on the line, now are.
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fintail
> DipodomysDeserti
05/29/2020 at 11:45 |
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T he economic issues in this society far predate the current crisis, and really aren’t related to it at all. Bringing the “purposeful collapsing of the economy” sounds like more pissing and moaning because you don’t agree with all of the measures taken in the past few months. Get over it.
I’ll keep any rant where I want it, you lack the recourse to really reel me in, so if you don’t like it, simply ignore my posts. And I’d take the PNW, even with its no doubt huge gini coefficient and clueless whitebread supposed liberals
over a poverty-rich
regressive
desert hellhole
that spawned Sheriff Joe, a poster child of praetorian sector abuse.
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fintail
> DipodomysDeserti
05/29/2020 at 11:50 |
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The economy now is nothing compared to 1933 - yet. But if the right keeps up with their trickle down bullshit, who knows what might happen. White supremacists have never not ran the show, but are running it now more than ever.
Given the socio- economic decay of the past 40 years, perhaps some less than legal measures need to be undertaken - before it is all lost. However, the anti-lockdown people won’t be on that side, as they almost all suffer from TEM syndrome, a particularly American disease.
Thisismydisplayname
> DipodomysDeserti
05/29/2020 at 11:57 |
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Not to sidetrack the comments away from the press being arrested, because WTF is up with that BS? But the pandemic shutdowns were a rock and a hard place sort of thing. If our state leaders did nothing and let the death toll rise, they’re hosed, if they shut it all down to try and limit the death toll, they’re hosed. They got handed a big FU bag from the federal government that was not prepared for this mess. As far as these riots go, I’m sure the added stresses of trying to make ends meet with the economy shut down didn’t help matters, but I think there is a pretty clear line between the police killing a black man and people rioting. It just goes to put a light on the economic and racial divide in the country.
As I’m thinking about it, I’m struck by how overly polite the reporter was as he’s being arrested, do you think if that was a white reporter that they would have been so polite? That’s the sad part to me, that a person of color has to live in a way that they have to be super careful with what they say and do when interacting with law enforcement. Not that I’m advocating disrespect, but I’m pretty certain if that was a white dude with the mic i n his hand he would have been a bit indignant with the police and the phrase “ I’m calling my attorney” would have been tossed out there for good measure. All the cops had to do was tell the reporter, please move to this location, not a big deal, but instead they cuff the guy and his crew, WTF indeed?
Nick Has an Exocet
> DipodomysDeserti
05/29/2020 at 12:11 |
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State police work for the Governor, Tim Walz (D), not the P resident. There is pressure coming from the President and not all Governors deal with that well. This was pretty stupid. Poorly trained police.
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mazda616
> DipodomysDeserti
05/29/2020 at 12:20 |
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Good point. I have lived a privileged life, being a Caucasian person in a rural area. I think I was sheltered from a lot of things when I was younger and my eyes have been opened lately as to just how much of a shit show things really are. It’s gross.
Now, I’m conflicted as to whether to shelter my kids from shit or educate them as they grow.
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Nick Has an Exocet
> fintail
05/29/2020 at 12:20 |
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Don’t argue with fintail, he cherrypicks points and ignores facts if they don’t suit his argument.
He also conflates chronic economic issues with acute economic issues. The acute nature of the pandemic is a lot like several of the great economic collapses. The part that I think is different is that this collapse has not been quite as directed at the working class. Everyone has been hit in some way, but essential workers have been able to keep their families mostly afloat. That said, you can also argue that in lieu of having an inherent immigrant class, the gig-worker class has just been fully broken off as the lowest class in America - as many of those jobs disappeared overnight (with the exception of delivery services).
Your boy, BJR
> mazda616
05/29/2020 at 12:50 |
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Always educate.
Nibby
> fintail
05/29/2020 at 13:30 |
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you have inspired me to make a new post... check oppo in a bit
JeffCronin
> DipodomysDeserti
05/29/2020 at 13:39 |
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He got arrested for reporting while black, no other reporters were arrested and the other CNN crew on-site were clear that they were less cooperative with police than Omar was. It proves the overall point, the police do not treat everyone equally, or even try to make it look like they do.
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DipodomysDeserti
> Nick Has an Exocet
05/29/2020 at 13:59 |
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Yes, I’m aware of who controls State police. That was a tongue in cheek remark about Trump’s love for CNN. These cops were doing exactly what they were trained to do: intimidate.
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DipodomysDeserti
> Mid Engine
05/29/2020 at 14:02 |
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My friends applied well before Trump was even thought of. There was a 20+ year backlog of citizenship approvals from Mexico starting in the ‘90s. Had nothing to do with Trump.
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Mid Engine
> DipodomysDeserti
05/29/2020 at 14:07 |
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The same holds true for many Chinese and Indian immigrants, the wait time is so long they’ll be long dead before they have the opportunity to become naturalized.
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Nick Has an Exocet
> DipodomysDeserti
05/29/2020 at 14:59 |
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I see. I missed the joke, my bad! Agree - the intimidation tactics are horrible.
Monkey B
> DipodomysDeserti
05/29/2020 at 17:32 |
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it’s the rich old white guys and boomer followers of that faction that are scratching and clawing in their last gasp against inevitable change...it’s disgusting. I’m 45, I grew up in the 70's and 80's where the majority of the adults were racist (at least enough that the N word was common ly heard) but we were low income to lower middle class in that span. I also lived in a small (but largest in the state) city so it was diverse. Afterward I moved to a southern town in VA in the middle of nowhere that was largely socially and housing segregated, think front/back part of town, for 3 years . I was the weird white kid that went to those houses...the fuck did I know, kids were cool and the first to welcome a yankee so that’s who I hung out with.
All these years later and I just don’t get it, the fucking news is so ridiculous that Onion articles seem more realistic. There’s a disgusting mass in the oval office surrounded by the worst possible humans that could be unearthed like Orc’s in LotR.
I don’t care what you were taught, at some point you have to gain self awareness and know right from wrong. I grew up with a regular dose of it and had enough sense to ignore it...but I also ignore things like Bible’s and those sorts of notions. I’d like to think that even if I were to have followed what I witnessed as a child that by the time I was an adult I’d know better. I figured this out as a child that was only taught racism, not cross burning or anything, but the casual nature of it in the times.
If you are a racist, you are wrong. Period. And if you think you are not wrong, then you are also a 100% certified grade F asshole.
Dusty Ventures
> DipodomysDeserti
05/29/2020 at 21:36 |
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No idea if it’s accurate, but someone in Minneapolis said on their tiktok (man that’s weird to type) that the reason the Target was hit was that they refused to sell water, food,
medical supplies, etc to tired or injured protestors.
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Dusty Ventures
> MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
05/29/2020 at 21:38 |
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May or may not have been a cop, but was definitely not part of the protest and trying to cause trouble
. Dude came out of nowhere all disguised up, smashed windows on a business that was being completely ignored by protesters, then tried to sneak off before being noticed and attacked the person filming him when they got close enough to possibly see his face.
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Dusty Ventures
> mazda616
05/29/2020 at 21:41 |
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I would say educate. The ones who are sheltered are the ones who refuse to see the problems/believe the actual scope and scale of the problems as adults IMO.
Duck Duck Grey Duck FTMFW!
> DipodomysDeserti
05/30/2020 at 18:36 |
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Walz publicly apologized for their arrest. They were released an hour after they got arrested.
https ://m.startribune.com/cnn-crew-arrested-while-reporting-on-minneapolis-protests/570860882/
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DipodomysDeserti
> Duck Duck Grey Duck FTMFW!
05/30/2020 at 18:41 |
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So. The point is cops are out there arresting reporters for no reason.
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Duck Duck Grey Duck FTMFW!
> DipodomysDeserti
05/30/2020 at 18:47 |
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Oh, I agree and Walz agreed they should have never been arrested in the first place.